Bob Lazar claimed he helped reverse engineer alien propulsion systems at a site near Area 51.
If you follow Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAPs), you know the story. Lazar claimed he was a physicist hired by the U.S. Government. He was interviewed by an investigative television journalist in 1989, and and said he'd worked on an anti-gravity reactor from an alien ship. There's no record of his working for the government in any capacity, so it's easy to dismiss his claims.
But in July of 2023, former Air Force and National Reconnaissance Office intelligence officer David Grusch testified before the House Oversight Committee and said projects like Lazar's had been going on for decades. He insisted, under oath, that he knew of a "multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program".
In November 2024, during another congressional hearing titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth," several former officials confirmed the story. Tim Gallaudet (ret. Navy Rear Admiral), Luis Elizondo (former DoD intelligence officer), and journalist Michael Shellenberger testified under oath that there was, in fact, a secret UAP crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering program.
The Pentagon continues to deny all of it.
And there really is no evidence to support it. If the government has been re-engineering alien propulsion systems for at least 36 years, it's fair to ask: where is the technology? Why aren't we testing it out?
Turns out, that might be exactly what the government has been doing -- and in plain sight. In a diabolical cover up, the test flights may be disguised as just more mystery UAPs.
Again, if you follow UAPs, you know about the tic tac-shaped craft spotted in 2004. The sighting is among the most famous in recent years, because it had so many convincing witnesses. The UAPs were not only seen but video taped by the naval crew on the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group southwest of San Diego.
The navy ships were on a routine training exercise. Before anyone saw the alien ships, their radar detected multiple targets flying 80,000 feet in the sky. Commander David Fravor flying an F/A-18F Super Hornet witnessed the now famous white "Tic Tac-shaped object" hovering just above the water. If tic tac described the shape, it did not do justice to the size. The flying object was 40 feet long, with no visible wings or exhaust.
Then they got a taste of what alien propulsion systems can do. The UAP mirrored the flight maneuvers for the F18 before abruptly accelerating, covering 60 miles in under a minute.
The event couldn't be dismissed outright, because the F18 took video. Ultimately, as UAP watchers know, the Pentagon confirmed the video was real. But their take was, oh well, just another unidentified flying object for the list. Easy as that, the incident would remain talked about but nothing more -- no further explanation would be coming.
Except now, twenty years later, there's a whistleblower talking.
Republican Congressman Eric Burlison from Missouri revealed on the Alieninfoo Podcast that he's been told something astounding about the tic tac shaped craft spotted in 2004. The UAPS were, indeed, alien technology. But it wasn't aliens flying them. Burlison was told they were being flown by Lockheed Martin.
Apparently, the craft was an early prototype, a first attempt from Lockheed Martin to reverse engineer alien technology and actually make it work. According to Congressman Burlison, "they had a prototype. They've made changes to it, they've made it more advanced and then now it's in iteration number three. Which I did see a photo of and it looks like pretty advanced military craft like a plan but clearly human made - nothing I've ever seen. (The whistleblower's) claim is that they have discovered a new type of propulsion. They used it in the first iteration which was the tic tac. They have an intermediary one. And now they are putting it in what looks conventional military aircraft so it's not obvious."
Were the tic tac UAPs actually a live example of alien technology reverse engineered, just as Bob Lazar claimed was happening 36 years ago?
Someone with the same information has also been leaking to UFO Investigator Ross Coulthart, who said on his recent podcast for News Nation, "I do believe the tic tac incident had Lockheed Martin at the helm."
And his source had more information that explained the mystery behind the tic tac UAP's lack of any visible propulsion system. According to Coulthart, "I was told that the tic tac operated by Lockheed Martin was being controlled by a human psionic."
In the world of UAP conspiracies, a human psionic is a human with psychic abilities that can interact with, control, or even pilot UAPs. And if that sounds crazy, it does help explain what was seen on video by at least 12 military personal in 2004: a craft with no visible pilot or propulsion system, moving in impossible ways, with sudden stops, the ability to hover, and rapid accelerations reaching hypersonic speeds.
Multiple sources out there are speaking up. The Department of Defense through Lockheed Martin may be implementing alien propulsion into the next generation of military hardware.
You might think Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Tulsi Gabbard would shut these rumors down if given the chance. But recently on the Pod Force One podcast she did quite the opposite: she expressed her belief that aliens exist and UAPs need more investigation, saying, "the intelligence community is dedicated to uncovering and sharing the truth with the public".
Meanwhile, Lockheed Martin reported a $950 million dollar loss on an "Aeronautics Classified Program" for the Second Quarter of 2025. Maybe flying those tic tacs is harder than it looks.